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Some Educators Argue Calculus Should Be Dethroned

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    zzlm

    Excepts from the article (link below) “The view … that math is a bunch of symbolic expressions, and you bang on them with tricks to get other symbolic expressions, is a bankrupt concept of math, dating from the 19th century.”

    Is that how the rest of the world perceives us and our work?

    Link: https: / / www. yahoo. com/ news/ bankrupt-concept-math-educators-argue-111500672. html

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    zcqj

    “High school calculus is a complete waste of time and a form of torture,” said Alan Garfinkel, professor of integrative biology and physiology and medicine at UCLA

    professor of integrative biology and physiology and medicine

    lol

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    dyfi

    Is that actually an idea from the 19th century?

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    qmak

    Is that actually an idea from the 19th century?

    I too thought formalism was an early twentieth century thing.

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    niiz

    "you bang on them with tricks"

    sounds hot

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    qmak

    Turns out as a philosophical position it was indeed first defined in oughts.

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    jhsg

    “High school calculus is a complete waste of time and a form of torture,”

    I have to say I agree. Analysis without proofs is a complete waste of time and a form of torture.

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    pktf

    My gut feeling is that high-school calc devolves into symbol pushing not because 19th century guys believed that that was what math is but because teaching proofs and concepts would be way too hard. An analysis 1 course would have too many failures.

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    ptqv

    My gut feeling is that high-school calc devolves into symbol pushing not because 19th century guys believed that that was what math is but because teaching proofs and concepts would be way too hard. An analysis 1 course would have too many failures.

    Yeah so why teach it I guess.

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    zfhd

    An analysis 1 course would have too many failures.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing

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    qmak

    “High school calculus is a complete waste of time and a form of torture,” said Alan Garfinkel, professor of integrative biology and physiology and medicine at UCLA

    professor of integrative biology and physiology and medicine

    lol

    This guy is still traumatized by not being able to study for it with cue cards.

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    texv

    I feel that biologists hate calculus more than arts or social science students.

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    jhwb

    Calculus should be dethroned. High schools should teach Analysis with rigorous proofs instead.

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    lssq

    Calculus manages somehow to be math without any genuine math. It’s such a bizarre subject.

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    aqvj

    I read the article, it's all actually pretty reasonable. Although the idea of replacing calculus with something like "data science" is pretty terrible. As all mathematicians know, if calculus is replaced by anything it must be linear algebra.

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    wuhs

    Some educators are deluded. Some are ignorant of any subjects except "Educational Theory". Same as it ever was.

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    zanl

    I read the article, it's all actually pretty reasonable. Although the idea of replacing calculus with something like "data science" is pretty terrible. As all mathematicians know, if calculus is replaced by anything it must be linear algebra.

    data science ultimately boils down to linear algebra

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    zanl

    I feel that biologists hate calculus more than arts or social science students.

    That's funny because literal calculi exist as part of kidney stones, dental plaques, etc.

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    zanl

    also derivatives and integrals are linear transformations

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    niiz

    My dentist says he hates calculus!

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